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Hillary Outflanks W.on Iran--On the Right

So Hillary Clinton, presidential candidate, is trying to outflank W. to the right. In her speech yesterday, Ms. Clinton lambasted the Bush administration – not for its threats against Iran, but for weakness. In particular, she hit the administration for going along with the European-led negotiations over Iran’s nuclear research, accusing Bush of “outsourcing” U.S. Iran policy.

Here’s Hillary on Iran yesterday, speaking at Princeton:

I believe that we lost critical time in dealing with Iran because the White House chose to downplay the threats and to outsource the negotiations. I don't believe you face threats like Iran or North Korea by outsourcing it to others and standing on the sidelines. But let's be clear about the threat we face now: A nuclear Iran is a danger to Israel, to its neighbors and beyond. The regime's pro-terrorist, anti-American and anti-Israel rhetoric only underscores the urgency of the threat it poses. U.S. policy must be clear and unequivocal. We cannot and should not — must not — permit Iran to build or acquire nuclear weapons. In order to prevent that from occurring, we must have more support vigorously and publicly expressed by China and Russia, and we must move as quickly as feasible for sanctions in the United Nations. And we cannot take any option off the table in sending a clear message to the current leadership of Iran — that they will not be permitted to acquire nuclear weapons.

Cynics might say it’s the latest in a long line of Hillaryspeak that positions her for her 2008 bid, protecting her right flank against charges of weakness on national defense. But I don’t think so. I think she really believes this stuff, and that her continual alliance with warmongering Sen. John McCain on issues like this (McCain also called for sanctions yesterday) is a sign that Hillary is indeed a right-leaning true believer.

Her Iraq position is virtually indistinguishable from that of Bush, and yesterday she once again railed against the idea of a Murtha-style withdrawal. “There are no quick, no easy solutions to the situation we find ourselves in today.” she said. “I do not believe that we should allow this to be an open-ended commitment without limits or end, nor do I believe that we can or should pull out of Iraq immediately.”

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WORFEUS:

We all loved Bill. But Bill's gone now, at least from the Oval Office, and he ain't coming back.

Hillary is a strong women and probably has a shot at the DNC nod but electing her won't bring back Bill, it will just diminish him.

Hillary has her own agenda, and it is not a liberal agenda.

It is a Hillary agenda, and I'm with Bill. Let's cheat on her.

I am an announced Republican candidate for Congress from Vermont, who has called for the impeachment of Bush & Cheney, and a rapid withdrawal of our forces from Iraq. So this flanks
Hillary and the President on the "left" I suppose--at
least it flanks them on the side of common sense.

Dennis Morrisseau
dmorso@netzero.net
www.2LTmorrisseau.com

Lewis Beyman:

If you look at who sponsored the likes of Clinton and Kerry you will see it is the same people who support Bush. They are far right neo fascist in their world outlook. These people believe in what they preach and should not be trusted to do the right thing. They believe in the righteousness of the forced spread of capitalism and American Imperial might. They oppose any idea of fair play and believe that might makes right at all times. They will leave this world in a sorry condition and will cause the needless death of millions.

Felice Gelman:

Have just returned from a trip to Israel and Palestine. People there -- both Palestinians and Israelis, noted Hillary's support of the wall and her portrait standing next to it at Gilo. It was very discouraging to them. I would recommend she be required to pass thru the Kalandiya checkpoint morning and night, every day, just as Palestinians must. Enduring that Kafkaesque nightmare, where faceless border guards shriek incomprehensible commands at crowds of hundreds of desperate people, might bring a different perspective. Or perhaps she might try a pilgrimage to Bethlehem, where Christians are greeted with barbed wire, 30 foot high concrete walls, and slam down, solid steel doors.
It is beyond my imagination that anyone can actually believe these repressive policies help U.S. security or even the security of the Jewish community worldwide. Consequently, I have to disagree that she actually believes the stuff. In fact, in her case, one has to wonder what the word "believe" means.
It is all pandering, all the time.

It seems that Hillary realizes that, somewhat like Nixon, she can use the solid sentiment of those who do not trust her, as a means to re-assure her base. No matter how much she tries to position her self in the center, enough people on the right will always think of her as a leftist, that she can rest assured that liberals will trust her by not trusting her. They will assume she is being tactically dishonest or disingenuous. Bob, stop by our blog. We try to show how this is done. You may laugh or not.

Wayne Andrus:

Ralph Nader said it right: "What we have are two political parties dialing for the same dollars.
Hilary Clinton is big,posturing "blow hard".
She and the rest of her party are a bunch of cowards.

WORFEUS:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -

Iran is "feeling the heat" of international pressure over its nuclear program and Washington will insist the issue be formally referred to the U.N. Security Council, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said on Thursday.

In an interview with Reuters, Rice showed little patience with Iran's belated interest in a Russian compromise proposal that would keep the case out of the Security Council.

"I think that says something about the role of (international) pressure in this process. It shows the Iranians are feeling the heat," she said.

By Carol Giacomo
Diplomatic Correspondent
42 minutes ago

So while Russia, the former Soviet Union, is offering a peaceful solution to the problem, to allow the Iranians to refine the material on their soil under UN oversight, we can't even consider the option?

Why could'nt we include our own Nuclear inspectors to oversee the process?

Referring it to the security council and sanctions will definately lead to further strain on our Relations with China and Iran, and could easily lead to war.

Once more we see this administration demonstrate their international diplomacy with all the finesse of a Dock Strike.

Yea, she'll make a great President.

Assuming their is anything left to be President of by 08.

Today I was watching the Charlie Rose show. he had an interview with EUGENE JARECKI, the Director of the Why we fight movie http://whywefight.com (looks like a must see). He made an interesting comment. Toward the end of Eisenhower administration, JFK (democrat) was making arguments for "missle gap" with Russians. Even though there were no such gaps (and JFK knew it) democrats were on the right of the Republican Eisenhower.
If history is any indication, democrats would next bring up the "Domino theory". That was the other favorit of JFK! Lets bring back the hen that lays golden eggs.

Lynx:

Clinton II is a complete nutbag. Threatening to nuke Iran - or anyone else - is just downright insane. The rest of the world is already pissed at us enough, can you imagine what would happen if the US used nuclear weapons against a non-nuclear power like Iran? We would be a pariah state, even more then we already are under Bush, and Americans all over the world would be lynched in the streets; and not just by muslims I might add.

NO ONE has used nukes, not even once, in warfare since we dropped the bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, despite the fact that most industrialized countries have them. If the US was to break the global norm that no one should ever nuke first it would give every other nucler power carte blanche to use them, and it wouldn't take long before we found ourselves under nuclear attack.

As for her main rival, Obama wants to invade Pakistan, the only Muslim nation with nuclear weapons and one of the US's major muslim allies. That right there should disqualify him.

We are not the worlds only superpower and we need to stop assuming that we are and will always be. the EU is stronger then us economically, politically, and - if they were to break off from NATO and form an independent military command - militarily as well. China is HUGE and will be a superpower within a generation. India is also huge and growing at a phenomenal rate, and both of them are already nuclear powers. Even Russia still has thousands of nukes that can reach us. If we try to bully the rest of the world into submission it won't be long until those other powers sit down and figure out a new global order that relegates us to backwater status, and there won't be a damn thing we can do about it.

If America wants to have a future we need to stop spending more then 50% of our federal tax budget on the military and military-related costs and pump some of that money back to the states to pay for things like fixing our schools and supporting higher education. Our public schools are the laughingstock of the entire industrialized world - the stupid ignorant uneducated American is regular fare on European and Australian comedies. There's a reason why Clinton is so keen to import scientists and engineers from other countries with the H1-B visas - because our schools are so pathetic compared to the rest of the world that we can't even produce enough engineers to meet our own economies needs. And that's just one of a hundred other real issues that none of the media-anointed "frontrunners" is willing to even touch because they're too busy trying to polish their images and rattle sabers at the rest of the world.

In short, the Pax Americana is officially past-tense. America only became a superpower because we are the largest industrialized country and because Europe was too busy tearing itself to pieces to work together. None of those things are true today. Europe - which has always been bigger then us in terms of population and economy - is now unified politically and economically and in a generation China and India will be industrialized and both are far bigger then us. We are a has-been power and we need to get used to that. Our only chance to stay relevant is to do what the British did after WWII and dismantle our foreign bases, turn the security of the world over to the rest of the world, and deal with problems at home instead of trying to hold onto an empire that is fast slipping out of our grasp. If we refuse to go gracefully and voluntarily we will be thrown out forcefully - the same way the French were thrown out of Algeria when they tried to outstay their strength. That war when it comes will make Vietnam and Iraq look like walks in the park. Let's just hope that whoever ends up as president isn't stupid enough to try and fight it with Nuclear weapons because the only possible result of a large-scale nuclear war is Mutually Assured Destruction, and no one wants that.

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